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		<title>Comment on Formatted to Fit Your Screen  Jonathan Sterne / McGill University by Book Review: Legitimating Television by Newman and Levine &#171; Media Milieus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Book Review: Legitimating Television by Newman and Levine &#171; Media Milieus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] response to from Newman and Levine. The second site is over at Flow TV and a recent article about television programming on other devices from Jonathan Stern. Newman provides a response, and there is an additional comment from Sudeep [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on No Arguments for the Elimination of AnythingRandy Lewis/University of Texas at Austin by Faculty Research: Dr. Randy Lewis on Unplugging at Flow &#171; AMS :: ATX</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faculty Research: Dr. Randy Lewis on Unplugging at Flow &#171; AMS :: ATX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 17:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The Banality of Violence   Robert Hariman/Northwestern University and John Louis Lucaites/Indiana University by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 23:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A majority of the United States seems to be brainwashed by the media.  Corporate conglomerates controlling what we see on every channel they own.  A mindless thought process where the truth is hidden from the population because it doesn&#039;t fit with the sponsors agenda and beliefs.  Fortunate for the masses, lies the internet.  A web of truth (and lies) that is unhindered with images of war, struggling humans and a hint as to how the world might come to its end.  Scary visions of bloody remains and uncensored images, literature, and NEWS.  A visual metaphor for the first amendment, and a dangerous place to reveal beliefs and hate.

I&#039;m not saying the internet is the eye of the world, but it definitely allows us a peek into what the world is truly like.  After 911, we lost our shelter -- I was there -- I was a Nurse, in charge of an ICU in NY on that day, and we waited for casualties.  None came.  Everywhere -- on every TV was the banal repetition of the Towers, blazing, smoking, falling.  The propaganda of Network coverage -- &quot;Show it until they puke!  Get e&#039;m riled up.  Let&#039;s go to war!&quot;  

This is what it appears to be in the course of how it is shown -- brainwashing us into oblivion.  Get the nation revved -- Let those who were not there &quot;feel our pain.&quot;  I have no problem sharing my pain with a person, it&#039;s when the broadcasters force that pain down our throats unrelentingly.  &quot;Just in case you missed it -- here it is again!&quot;

The still photo&#039;s that surfaced shortly after -- A Jet, just meters away from striking the building -- you know the impact is inevitable.  There&#039;s no surprise in it, but strangely, I couldn&#039;t take my eyes off it.  Knowing what had happened and the result that came of it -- it became a moment frozen in time and will be the difference between life and death for those within Tower one -- and two.  A moment where if you could freeze your TV, you could get everyone out of those buildings and save thousands.

As a nurse, it&#039;s my duty to care about others.  Help those in need of care, and care about them from one human to another.  I hate violence, but I have no control over the world (as no one else does).  It&#039;s something we all have to cope with.  Shocking images are there for a reason -- to show how non-violent you are!  They are there to help recognize the fear of violence within ourselves and understand how the world outside is.

In the grand scheme of things, we have been a sheltered nation.  One who&#039;s been hiding under their mother&#039;s skirt for years.  I think it&#039;s important to show what violence does -- not being violent ourselves, but as a result.  It most certainly isn&#039;t pretty, but it does make it&#039;s point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A majority of the United States seems to be brainwashed by the media.  Corporate conglomerates controlling what we see on every channel they own.  A mindless thought process where the truth is hidden from the population because it doesn&#8217;t fit with the sponsors agenda and beliefs.  Fortunate for the masses, lies the internet.  A web of truth (and lies) that is unhindered with images of war, struggling humans and a hint as to how the world might come to its end.  Scary visions of bloody remains and uncensored images, literature, and NEWS.  A visual metaphor for the first amendment, and a dangerous place to reveal beliefs and hate.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying the internet is the eye of the world, but it definitely allows us a peek into what the world is truly like.  After 911, we lost our shelter &#8212; I was there &#8212; I was a Nurse, in charge of an ICU in NY on that day, and we waited for casualties.  None came.  Everywhere &#8212; on every TV was the banal repetition of the Towers, blazing, smoking, falling.  The propaganda of Network coverage &#8212; &#8220;Show it until they puke!  Get e&#8217;m riled up.  Let&#8217;s go to war!&#8221;  </p>
<p>This is what it appears to be in the course of how it is shown &#8212; brainwashing us into oblivion.  Get the nation revved &#8212; Let those who were not there &#8220;feel our pain.&#8221;  I have no problem sharing my pain with a person, it&#8217;s when the broadcasters force that pain down our throats unrelentingly.  &#8220;Just in case you missed it &#8212; here it is again!&#8221;</p>
<p>The still photo&#8217;s that surfaced shortly after &#8212; A Jet, just meters away from striking the building &#8212; you know the impact is inevitable.  There&#8217;s no surprise in it, but strangely, I couldn&#8217;t take my eyes off it.  Knowing what had happened and the result that came of it &#8212; it became a moment frozen in time and will be the difference between life and death for those within Tower one &#8212; and two.  A moment where if you could freeze your TV, you could get everyone out of those buildings and save thousands.</p>
<p>As a nurse, it&#8217;s my duty to care about others.  Help those in need of care, and care about them from one human to another.  I hate violence, but I have no control over the world (as no one else does).  It&#8217;s something we all have to cope with.  Shocking images are there for a reason &#8212; to show how non-violent you are!  They are there to help recognize the fear of violence within ourselves and understand how the world outside is.</p>
<p>In the grand scheme of things, we have been a sheltered nation.  One who&#8217;s been hiding under their mother&#8217;s skirt for years.  I think it&#8217;s important to show what violence does &#8212; not being violent ourselves, but as a result.  It most certainly isn&#8217;t pretty, but it does make it&#8217;s point.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Formatted to Fit Your Screen  Jonathan Sterne / McGill University by Sudeep Dasgupta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sudeep Dasgupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The overlapping analyses yet divergent conclusions of Sterne and Newman/Levine are revealing of the conundrum TV Studies faces at present. The divergence of views (dilution or enhancement) is, as Newman rightly points out, a result of very different starting points in analyzing the shifts in the status of television as a medium. 

Sterne’s column clearly fastens on changes in television itself, and the intellectual discourses on it. In this sense, his argument for a serious rethink of the vocabulary through which we approach television is compelling, and very necessary. More importantly, it contributes to a more substantive engagement with the crucial shifts that are taking place in television and our (that is, academics) discourse on it. 

Newman and Levine’s Legitimating Television rightly takes to task the spurious elevation of television by those who want to justify their passion for TV series in high cultural terms. Fair enough. But this criticism, which has been ongoing for sometime, including on this platform, does very little to further scholarship about the shifts in technology, the transformations in textual strategies, and consequently, newer perspectives on how to understand television today. In other words, by magnifying and (perhaps regrettably) over-publicizing the views of those who have never had any interest in television anyway (did we ever take the Mark Lawsons of this world as serious contributors to TV Studies?), the need for serious scholarship and sustained engagement with television’s dramatic contemporary changes risks being sidelined for a slanging match between parties ranged around two very suspect terms indeed: high and low culture. It also runs the risk of being cast as a defensive reaction by those wanting to maintain a disciplinary identity and its attendant privileges when the medium the discipline is founded on is refusing to be disciplined.

Sterne’s column neatly sidesteps this, maybe once necessary (defensive) gesture of bashing suspect over-valuations of television, and focuses instead on what challenges television poses for those of us interested in the theoretical, political, social and technological dimensions of this medium. The contemporary changes in television as technology, text, institution etc. are far too important to be framed in the tired discourse of either “quality” or a critique of it.

In “The Uses of Cultural Theory”, Raymond Williams eloquently and urgently argued that close attention to the formal characteristics of a text (and for us in TV Studies, to the concurrent shifts in technology and institutional structures) is crucial if we are not to dodge the way technology, aesthetics and a medium are intertwined. Developing a critical and contemporary vocabulary for understanding changes in TV today, and substantively engaging in analyses ranging from programming strategies of broadcasters to the minutiae of textual development in programs, are crucial to how TV scholars might contribute to the study of the medium. Let the guilt-ridden aesthetes who are busy justifying their love of television prattle on. Our job, it seems, lies elsewhere, and is far more important, politically, socially and institutionally. 

The issue is thus one of emphasis rather than disagreement. Rather than focus on the spurious interests of those fairly uninterested in a scholarly analysis of television anyway, engaging productively precisely in the contemporary character of the transformations of the medium might be a far more enriching experience socially and intellectually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The overlapping analyses yet divergent conclusions of Sterne and Newman/Levine are revealing of the conundrum TV Studies faces at present. The divergence of views (dilution or enhancement) is, as Newman rightly points out, a result of very different starting points in analyzing the shifts in the status of television as a medium. </p>
<p>Sterne’s column clearly fastens on changes in television itself, and the intellectual discourses on it. In this sense, his argument for a serious rethink of the vocabulary through which we approach television is compelling, and very necessary. More importantly, it contributes to a more substantive engagement with the crucial shifts that are taking place in television and our (that is, academics) discourse on it. </p>
<p>Newman and Levine’s Legitimating Television rightly takes to task the spurious elevation of television by those who want to justify their passion for TV series in high cultural terms. Fair enough. But this criticism, which has been ongoing for sometime, including on this platform, does very little to further scholarship about the shifts in technology, the transformations in textual strategies, and consequently, newer perspectives on how to understand television today. In other words, by magnifying and (perhaps regrettably) over-publicizing the views of those who have never had any interest in television anyway (did we ever take the Mark Lawsons of this world as serious contributors to TV Studies?), the need for serious scholarship and sustained engagement with television’s dramatic contemporary changes risks being sidelined for a slanging match between parties ranged around two very suspect terms indeed: high and low culture. It also runs the risk of being cast as a defensive reaction by those wanting to maintain a disciplinary identity and its attendant privileges when the medium the discipline is founded on is refusing to be disciplined.</p>
<p>Sterne’s column neatly sidesteps this, maybe once necessary (defensive) gesture of bashing suspect over-valuations of television, and focuses instead on what challenges television poses for those of us interested in the theoretical, political, social and technological dimensions of this medium. The contemporary changes in television as technology, text, institution etc. are far too important to be framed in the tired discourse of either “quality” or a critique of it.</p>
<p>In “The Uses of Cultural Theory”, Raymond Williams eloquently and urgently argued that close attention to the formal characteristics of a text (and for us in TV Studies, to the concurrent shifts in technology and institutional structures) is crucial if we are not to dodge the way technology, aesthetics and a medium are intertwined. Developing a critical and contemporary vocabulary for understanding changes in TV today, and substantively engaging in analyses ranging from programming strategies of broadcasters to the minutiae of textual development in programs, are crucial to how TV scholars might contribute to the study of the medium. Let the guilt-ridden aesthetes who are busy justifying their love of television prattle on. Our job, it seems, lies elsewhere, and is far more important, politically, socially and institutionally. </p>
<p>The issue is thus one of emphasis rather than disagreement. Rather than focus on the spurious interests of those fairly uninterested in a scholarly analysis of television anyway, engaging productively precisely in the contemporary character of the transformations of the medium might be a far more enriching experience socially and intellectually.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Digital Media: Hot or Cool?  Nicole Starosielski / Miami University by Paul Gansky / FLOW Co-Managing Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Gansky / FLOW Co-Managing Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome article, as usual, Nicole!  Thanks for offering this up.  Zeroing in on the important yet entirely invisible relationship between temperature and media is such a resounding reminder of how controlled the vast majority of our environments actually are, which of course is reflected in the hardware of contemporary devices, often simultaneously operated by our fingers while disavowing our touch.  (Those dastardly scratch-resistant Apple screens come to mind).  Yet extremes nevertheless come consistently into play, both at the larger infrastructural level, as you state, as well as for everyday consumers, with their overheated Toyota interiors baking videotapes in parking lots, and the rain seeping into the cracks of their iPhones.  Reminds me of the Mary Lucier video piece, Media Burn, in which she trained a camera at the sun until it burned out the CCD - which was then exhibited as an artifact along with the imagery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome article, as usual, Nicole!  Thanks for offering this up.  Zeroing in on the important yet entirely invisible relationship between temperature and media is such a resounding reminder of how controlled the vast majority of our environments actually are, which of course is reflected in the hardware of contemporary devices, often simultaneously operated by our fingers while disavowing our touch.  (Those dastardly scratch-resistant Apple screens come to mind).  Yet extremes nevertheless come consistently into play, both at the larger infrastructural level, as you state, as well as for everyday consumers, with their overheated Toyota interiors baking videotapes in parking lots, and the rain seeping into the cracks of their iPhones.  Reminds me of the Mary Lucier video piece, Media Burn, in which she trained a camera at the sun until it burned out the CCD &#8211; which was then exhibited as an artifact along with the imagery.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Seeing in Spanish: The Nat King Cole Show  Herman Gray / University of California in Santa Cruz by Meenasarani Linde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meenasarani Linde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this elegant post. The connections you make are lucid and provocative, and make me want to reconsider Cole&#039;s show in light of his connections with the Latin American songbook. Additionally, I&#039;m struck by the modernist set design of his performance of “Quizas, Quizas, Quizas.” Owing more to Mondrian than trying to capture a postcard-like setting of the Global South, this mixture of a sonic Latin-inflected transnationalism with a visual minimalism, also resonates with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/769684.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lynn Spigel&#039;s work on television and modern art&lt;/a&gt;, specifically Ellington&#039;s Black Atlantic created in the TV special, &lt;em&gt;A Drum Is A Woman&lt;/em&gt;. As &lt;a href=&quot;http://backwardglancesnu.blogspot.com/p/keynote-speakers.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Shane Vogel&lt;/a&gt; has also worked on this special, especially the importance of dance, I wonder how a consideration of dance on television as it relies on the visual and the sonic, would impact a reconsideration of other black televisual performances in the 1950s as well as today? Keeping in mind how Katherine Dunham was also invested in the project of making diasporic and transnational connections, as well as education, what other performances are there to be excavated from tv history that are part of this circulation? How does the movement of bodies on screen connect to a body politic or public if at all? This post excites me, as Gray asks us to look past what could be nostalgia for exotica, and consider television as that which can look past the confines of the nation and the racial order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this elegant post. The connections you make are lucid and provocative, and make me want to reconsider Cole&#8217;s show in light of his connections with the Latin American songbook. Additionally, I&#8217;m struck by the modernist set design of his performance of “Quizas, Quizas, Quizas.” Owing more to Mondrian than trying to capture a postcard-like setting of the Global South, this mixture of a sonic Latin-inflected transnationalism with a visual minimalism, also resonates with <a href="http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/769684.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/769684.html');" rel="nofollow">Lynn Spigel&#8217;s work on television and modern art</a>, specifically Ellington&#8217;s Black Atlantic created in the TV special, <em>A Drum Is A Woman</em>. As <a href="http://backwardglancesnu.blogspot.com/p/keynote-speakers.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://backwardglancesnu.blogspot.com/p/keynote-speakers.html');" rel="nofollow">Shane Vogel</a> has also worked on this special, especially the importance of dance, I wonder how a consideration of dance on television as it relies on the visual and the sonic, would impact a reconsideration of other black televisual performances in the 1950s as well as today? Keeping in mind how Katherine Dunham was also invested in the project of making diasporic and transnational connections, as well as education, what other performances are there to be excavated from tv history that are part of this circulation? How does the movement of bodies on screen connect to a body politic or public if at all? This post excites me, as Gray asks us to look past what could be nostalgia for exotica, and consider television as that which can look past the confines of the nation and the racial order.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mothers on the Naughty Step: Supernanny and Reality Parenting Television   Rebecca Feasey / Bath Spa University by Hannah Hamad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hannah Hamad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could the fact that the expert figures in these corrective parenting shows are themselves always women be indicative of the extent to which mothers more than fathers are being interpellated as deficient? Not only have we had Jo Frost in Supernanny, but also all four of the nannies in Nanny 911, and Tanya Byron in Little Angels and The House of Tiny Tearaways.

In Supernanny, gestures made by Frost towards the need for fathers to do their share, do often come via her oft asked question &quot;Where&#039;s Dad in all of this???&quot;, flagging up the extent to which fathers are shown to absent themselves from domestic mayhem. But it often seems to me that this is a negotiation, if not almost a tacit &quot;oh well&quot; to an all but normalised scenario. I am not sure that individual episodes profiling lone fathers trouble the show&#039;s structuring discourse to a huge degree, although it is interesting that the episode referred to in one of the comments above apparently profiles a widowed single father, given the ubiquity of this figure in mediations of postfeminist masculinity elsewhere in popular culture, especially Hollywood cinema (We Bought a Zoo is the example currently showing in my local cinema). 

At what seemed to be the height of this cycle of corrective parenting reality shows, around 2007, I remember a chick lit novel called &#039;The Manny&#039; being published, and I wondered if it was going to spawn some sort of &#039;Larry Poppins&#039; type reality TV series. Postfeminist masculinity has taken some seemingly unlikely turns in the media in recent years, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s gone there yet... (?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could the fact that the expert figures in these corrective parenting shows are themselves always women be indicative of the extent to which mothers more than fathers are being interpellated as deficient? Not only have we had Jo Frost in Supernanny, but also all four of the nannies in Nanny 911, and Tanya Byron in Little Angels and The House of Tiny Tearaways.</p>
<p>In Supernanny, gestures made by Frost towards the need for fathers to do their share, do often come via her oft asked question &#8220;Where&#8217;s Dad in all of this???&#8221;, flagging up the extent to which fathers are shown to absent themselves from domestic mayhem. But it often seems to me that this is a negotiation, if not almost a tacit &#8220;oh well&#8221; to an all but normalised scenario. I am not sure that individual episodes profiling lone fathers trouble the show&#8217;s structuring discourse to a huge degree, although it is interesting that the episode referred to in one of the comments above apparently profiles a widowed single father, given the ubiquity of this figure in mediations of postfeminist masculinity elsewhere in popular culture, especially Hollywood cinema (We Bought a Zoo is the example currently showing in my local cinema). </p>
<p>At what seemed to be the height of this cycle of corrective parenting reality shows, around 2007, I remember a chick lit novel called &#8216;The Manny&#8217; being published, and I wondered if it was going to spawn some sort of &#8216;Larry Poppins&#8217; type reality TV series. Postfeminist masculinity has taken some seemingly unlikely turns in the media in recent years, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s gone there yet&#8230; (?)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Shades Of Grey: Interracial Couples On TV  Erica Chito Childs / Hunter College and CUNY Graduate Center by Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic article -- I&#039;m in an interracial relationship and it&#039;s really awesome to read this and hear my thoughts put down by another. Tried to have an argument with my mother, a white woman, expressing how these thoughts are legitimate, and she still feels our society is post-racial and that we&#039;re so &quot;passed&quot; all this stuff and that we&#039;re &quot;one people,&quot; and it&#039;s really hard to get her to think critically...hopefully I&#039;ll find a way someday. Anyway, thanks again for this! Will be sharing with friends. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic article &#8212; I&#8217;m in an interracial relationship and it&#8217;s really awesome to read this and hear my thoughts put down by another. Tried to have an argument with my mother, a white woman, expressing how these thoughts are legitimate, and she still feels our society is post-racial and that we&#8217;re so &#8220;passed&#8221; all this stuff and that we&#8217;re &#8220;one people,&#8221; and it&#8217;s really hard to get her to think critically&#8230;hopefully I&#8217;ll find a way someday. Anyway, thanks again for this! Will be sharing with friends. :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Formatted to Fit Your Screen  Jonathan Sterne / McGill University by Michael Z. Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Z. Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like this column, especially for its addition of &quot;format&quot; to the critical vocabulary for understanding TV as a compliment to &quot;medium.&quot; As a long-time reader of your blog, I have been anticipating your MP3 book and I&#039;m excited that it&#039;s coming out soon.

In our recent book, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.routledge.com/books/details/9780203847640/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Legitimating Television&lt;/a&gt;, Elana Levine and I consider some of the same topics you raise here. We write about people who watch TV denying that they watch TV, aspects ratios, the proliferation of new ways of watching, and Gitelman&#039;s definition of medium. But we apply different terms and draw different conclusions. I hope a comparison of our approaches might be productive.

What you explain as the dilution of the medium we discuss as convergence. And while you put aside the issue of taste in your introductory remarks, we see it as central to television&#039;s shifting status. 

To think of TV as a diluted medium suggests that a medium may be weak or intense, and that TV in the past was stronger or more pure than it is now (you say it has lost density and gravity). Perhaps it is true that TV&#039;s identity was more stable in the past, though its history is one of constant technological renewal -- through set technologies such as color and projection, remote control devices, videotape, cable, etc. We argue that in the past decade, television has been intensifying its convergence with other media, which is a different idea from dilution. Not just in terms of technology but also in terms of experience and cultural status, television has been converging with computers, the internet, cinema, video games, and other media. We quote a Netflix executive describing television becoming part of the movie-viewing experience. When both movies and television shows flow through the same browser window, the experiential aspects of each one become less distinct. But the medium of TV isn&#039;t necessarily diluted by this process in the popular imagination. Even though some people might not consider watching TV via Netflix &quot;watching television,&quot; the identity of shows like Mad Men as television persists. In some ways, TV&#039;s identity is intensified as television&#039;s cultural status has been upgraded, in no small part as a product of this kind of convergence. We found many examples of critics arguing that TV is better than ever before and relating this to new technologies like DVDs and DVRs -- in such discourse, TV has simply &quot;gotten better&quot; and thus more deserving of attention and praise. (We argue that this only works by the promotion of one kind of television at the expense of another -- legitimated TV, with its adult, masculine, and upscale appeal, requires the negation of its Other: TV as feminized mass culture of the past.)

The distinction between medium and format might be productive for scholarship, but in our analysis of popular, trade, scholarly, and televisual discourses we didn&#039;t observe that television&#039;s status as a medium was weakening or becoming less distinct -- becoming something more like a cluster of formats, as you use the term. It has been shifting in the direction of cultural legitimacy, and these very techologies that you relate to dilution we see as part of the discursive shift toward television&#039;s higher status. These technologies are seen to be giving viewers highly valued agency, and to be making for a more artistic medium visually and in other ways. The issue of taste is central because it marks the transformation of TV into a more respectable medium like cinema (or literature).

Most of all, you seem especially interested in how scholars might define television. Our concern is more with how a wider culture understands TV and its significance in everyday life. I hope we&#039;d agree that both of these are worthwhile pursuits, and that one will inform the other.

Anyhow, thanks for writing this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like this column, especially for its addition of &#8220;format&#8221; to the critical vocabulary for understanding TV as a compliment to &#8220;medium.&#8221; As a long-time reader of your blog, I have been anticipating your MP3 book and I&#8217;m excited that it&#8217;s coming out soon.</p>
<p>In our recent book, <a href="http://www.routledge.com/books/details/9780203847640/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.routledge.com/books/details/9780203847640/');" rel="nofollow">Legitimating Television</a>, Elana Levine and I consider some of the same topics you raise here. We write about people who watch TV denying that they watch TV, aspects ratios, the proliferation of new ways of watching, and Gitelman&#8217;s definition of medium. But we apply different terms and draw different conclusions. I hope a comparison of our approaches might be productive.</p>
<p>What you explain as the dilution of the medium we discuss as convergence. And while you put aside the issue of taste in your introductory remarks, we see it as central to television&#8217;s shifting status. </p>
<p>To think of TV as a diluted medium suggests that a medium may be weak or intense, and that TV in the past was stronger or more pure than it is now (you say it has lost density and gravity). Perhaps it is true that TV&#8217;s identity was more stable in the past, though its history is one of constant technological renewal &#8212; through set technologies such as color and projection, remote control devices, videotape, cable, etc. We argue that in the past decade, television has been intensifying its convergence with other media, which is a different idea from dilution. Not just in terms of technology but also in terms of experience and cultural status, television has been converging with computers, the internet, cinema, video games, and other media. We quote a Netflix executive describing television becoming part of the movie-viewing experience. When both movies and television shows flow through the same browser window, the experiential aspects of each one become less distinct. But the medium of TV isn&#8217;t necessarily diluted by this process in the popular imagination. Even though some people might not consider watching TV via Netflix &#8220;watching television,&#8221; the identity of shows like Mad Men as television persists. In some ways, TV&#8217;s identity is intensified as television&#8217;s cultural status has been upgraded, in no small part as a product of this kind of convergence. We found many examples of critics arguing that TV is better than ever before and relating this to new technologies like DVDs and DVRs &#8212; in such discourse, TV has simply &#8220;gotten better&#8221; and thus more deserving of attention and praise. (We argue that this only works by the promotion of one kind of television at the expense of another &#8212; legitimated TV, with its adult, masculine, and upscale appeal, requires the negation of its Other: TV as feminized mass culture of the past.)</p>
<p>The distinction between medium and format might be productive for scholarship, but in our analysis of popular, trade, scholarly, and televisual discourses we didn&#8217;t observe that television&#8217;s status as a medium was weakening or becoming less distinct &#8212; becoming something more like a cluster of formats, as you use the term. It has been shifting in the direction of cultural legitimacy, and these very techologies that you relate to dilution we see as part of the discursive shift toward television&#8217;s higher status. These technologies are seen to be giving viewers highly valued agency, and to be making for a more artistic medium visually and in other ways. The issue of taste is central because it marks the transformation of TV into a more respectable medium like cinema (or literature).</p>
<p>Most of all, you seem especially interested in how scholars might define television. Our concern is more with how a wider culture understands TV and its significance in everyday life. I hope we&#8217;d agree that both of these are worthwhile pursuits, and that one will inform the other.</p>
<p>Anyhow, thanks for writing this!</p>
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		<description>Absolutely agree. Such a wonderful piece. Now every time I shiver in the movie theatre - as I did this past weekend in humid Sydney - I will think of it. The YouTube fry up is just brilliant! It reminded me of the time danah boyd discovered &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/09/09/blotchy_burns_o.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;laptop burn&lt;/a&gt;. Here&#039;s to more materiality in media studies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely agree. Such a wonderful piece. Now every time I shiver in the movie theatre &#8211; as I did this past weekend in humid Sydney &#8211; I will think of it. The YouTube fry up is just brilliant! It reminded me of the time danah boyd discovered <a href="http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/09/09/blotchy_burns_o.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/09/09/blotchy_burns_o.html');" rel="nofollow">laptop burn</a>. Here&#8217;s to more materiality in media studies.</p>
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